A Dance with Dragons (A Song of Ice and Fire)
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So umfangreich und detailliert, aber so fesselnd.
Im letzten veröffentlichen Band von A Song of Ice and Fire habe ich das letzte Jahr nur sporadisch gelesen, da das Fantasy-Englisch nicht so einfach für mich ist. Vor zwei Wochen habe ich mich dann aktiv hingesetzt und mich bewusst nur noch auf dieses Buch konzentriert. Ich habe die Serie komplett angesehen und konnte sehr viele Parallelen zu den Büchern ziehen. Wie auch die vorherigen Bände war auch das fünfte Buch sehr umfangreich. Es wurde regelmäßig in der POV gewechselt und jede Handlung aus allen erdenklichen Perspektiven betrachtet. Das hat sich teilweise sehr gezogen, vor allem bei POVs, die mich nicht so sehr interessiert haben. Zum Ende hin kamen immer öfter Szenen, die sich von der Serie unterschieden (oder ich mich einfach nicht daran erinnere) und mich deshalb sehr überrascht haben. Den nächsten Teil werde ich mir auf jeden Fall holen, da mich sehr interessiert, wie sich die Handlung in den Büchern weiter entwickelt.
3.5* Wie schon bei den letzten beiden Teilen hat es wieder eine gefühlte Ewigkeit gedauert dieses Buch zu lesen. Während ich diesen Teil zwar insgesamt wieder spannender fand als den letzten bleibt mein Problem einfach, dass ich nicht wirklich alle Sichtweisen gleich spannend finde. So passierte es leider immer wieder, dass ich das Buch zur Seite legte und nicht wirklich Lust darauf hatte weiter zu lesen wenn es gerade um Figuren ging, die mich nicht so interessierten. Dennoch hatte ich das Gefühl, dass in diesem Teil mehr passiert ist und es gab einige interessante Entwicklungen bei denen ich sehr gespannt bin wie sich das weiter entwickeln wird. Inzwischen gibt es auch einige ziemlich grosse Unterschiede zu der Serie weshalb es auch nicht so ein Problem darstellt dass diese bereits weiter ist. Ich bin gespannt darauf zu sehen wie George R.R. Martin all die verschiedenen Handlungsstränge in den letzten beiden Bänden zusammenführen wird und hoffe einfach sehr, dass es nicht mehr allzu lang dauert bis The Winds of Winter endlich erscheint.
While the previous book was mostly character focused, an emotional journey through some character's mind, this one was way more political, pushing the story forward. I loved it regardless. GRRM can do no wrong.
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one. Lowering the rating to 3 stars. This is by far my least favourite books of the series. The focus is on Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys. Occasionally, there’s Asha’s POV. However, the book was way too long yet barely anything happened. This book just dragged. Tyrion’s chapters can easily be summarised: sleeping, drinking, and asking where whores go. Bran’s chapters were descriptions of the night sky, the weather and his surrounding area. What I enjoyed were Reek’s chapters, I think it’s really interesting to see how Ramsay broke Theon Greyjoy. I hate it that the show excluded Quentyn Martell, the Sand Snakes (who are on their way to King’s Landing!) and Aegon Targaryen. Note to self: Asha and Theon reunite. Cersei arrived at the Red Keep after her walk of atonement. Daenerys flew away with Drogon and Khal Jhaqo found her. Jon got stabbed. Ser Barristan was made Daenerys’ Hand in her absence. Quentyn Martell died after he wanted to free Viserion and Rhaegal. Kevan Lannister had a council meeting in King’s Landing, supped with Cersei and got killed by Varys after his supper. Aegon is in King’s Landing. I can’t wait to see how the story continues. Probably have to wait ten more years for it though.
Ein Beispiel dafür, dass manchmal doch Filme/Serien besser sein können als die Buchvorlagen. Natürlich gibt es bestimmt Leser, die mir hier widersprechen. Aber seis drum. Ich habe mich bei diesem Buch - im Gegensatz zur Serie - oft sehr gelangweilt. Martin verliert sich in zu vielen unwichtigen Details und Nebencharakteren. Außerdem ist der Aufbau dieses Buchs und auch der anderen Teile sehr, sehr anstrengend. Man verliert schnell den Überblick, weil viele Charaktere in manchen Teilen nur extrem selten auftauchen und wenn dann wieder ein Kapitel über sie an der Reihe ist, hat man komplett vergessen wo sie vorher waren und was zuvor mit ihnen passiert ist. Das war in diesem Band besonders extrem. Deshalb kann ich hier leider nicht mehr als 2 Sterne geben, bin aber trotzdem froh es gelesen zu haben und werde - so denn ein weitere Teil rauskommt - weiterlesen.
This book already has received thousands upon thousands of reviews, so if you don't want to read another review meant to defend this book, don't continue doing so. Fair warning. I enjoyed this book far more than many other fans of this series seemingly did. The reason has perhaps been my preparation for it - I already knew AFFC and ADWD were not as popular with readers as the first three volumes, so I decided to use a variable reading order, including chapters from both books in their respective timelines. You can find plenty of those on the web. My major complaint includes the awful translation as I read the book in German and struggled to continue reading due to several mistakes and typos I would never forgive any author for. But this was the translator's work, not GRRM's, so I try not to judge him for what feels like a crime to the book. It is still difficult to bear when every second question mark is replaced by a simple full stop. Argh! When I ask someone how he is, I would of course write: "How are you." Of course. Not to mention all those missing words (sometimes even sentences!) and the translator's inability to remember if it's 'Lennister' or 'Lannister' in the german version). And don't even make me talk about the difference between "das" and "dass" in German! Translators of such popular book series should be capable of knowing this difference, yet they did not with this one. Back to the book itself. I understand why many readers were frustrated with it, especially with the ongoing Meereen plots and the thousands of new characters Martin seems unable to find a purpose for. I tend to disagree with this opinion. It's not only a story about the Iron Throne and the dangers represented by the Others or the dragons, it is also a story about characters and an immense setting Martin concentrates hugely on during this part of the series. He used books four and five mainly to delve deeper into the known world, presenting Dorne, Volantis (and a lot of Essos as well), Braavos, White Harbor, the Dreadfort and the Iron Islands with their power struggles. We had the aftermaths of ASOS: Tyrion dealing with his guilt over causing Tywin and Shae's deaths; Cersei becoming mad due to her inability to distinguish between good and evil; Daenerys struggling with her attempt to rule Meereen (and, seriously, she would have been a child to believe in her ability to conquer the Seven Kingdoms, which is why her character gained my full respect for her decision to stay in Meereen); Jon trying to be as good a Lord Commander as he could possibly be. It was as much about the developments of their characters as it was about the preparations for huge battles like the upcoming Battle of Winterfell or the Battle of Meereen, which will most likely lead to larger events - such as Daenerys finally sailing for Westeros which I am sure will not happen before ADOS. It could feel kind of long, I will agree about that. Daenerys had way too many scenes with Daario, Quentyn's voyage had no need to be described so explicitly, Tyrion's depressive mood and playing cyvasse for hundreds of pages as well as those endless lists of food might have been hard to bear. But there are a lot of characters and places to be explored, and Martin would never have reached this if not by calming down the story. I was fine with most of his decisions. But as I said, this is a review about defense, so I try to negate those complains I still have about ADWD (for example Daenerys' character development which felt rather non-congruent with her behavior in earlier volumes, or choosing Areo as a POV character of Dorne which I still cannot understand). I gave this a four-star-rating, since it still belongs to one of the most divisive, most discussed and most loved book series, and since I have fallen in love with the book and Martin's characters. Now if only "The Winds of Winter" was released before GRRM will be one hundred years old!
It arrived!
1. A Game of Thrones: 5 ★ 2. A Clash of Kings: 4 ★ 3. A Storm of Swords: 5 ★ 4. A Feast for Crows: 4 ★ 5. A Dance with Dragons: 5 ★ 6. Winds of Winter:
A Song of Ice and Fire is still one of my favorite book series (and TV series, but that doesn't matter here) but 'A Dance with Dragons' is not my favorite book from the series. Yes, it still has all the details and tertiary characters that I love but I've missed some of the POV characters. Besides there are too many POVs that I don't care about and just too much slow world building. Reading it you get the feeling that nothing really goes on, it is all so slow. Some storylines don't seem to have a point at all, e.g. Young Griff or Quentin Martell. I enjoyed reading it, but I would prefer it if I had the sixth book and could finally get to know what really happens. (I already read some sample chapters from Winds of Winter and they seem to be so much better! Finally some action!) Nevertheless I will read it again and again until I can finally read Winds of Winter.
A Song Of Ice and Fire is incredibly detailed and I loved diving into it every time i reached for one of the series books A Dance with Dragons makes no exception
Beschreibung
Beiträge
So umfangreich und detailliert, aber so fesselnd.
Im letzten veröffentlichen Band von A Song of Ice and Fire habe ich das letzte Jahr nur sporadisch gelesen, da das Fantasy-Englisch nicht so einfach für mich ist. Vor zwei Wochen habe ich mich dann aktiv hingesetzt und mich bewusst nur noch auf dieses Buch konzentriert. Ich habe die Serie komplett angesehen und konnte sehr viele Parallelen zu den Büchern ziehen. Wie auch die vorherigen Bände war auch das fünfte Buch sehr umfangreich. Es wurde regelmäßig in der POV gewechselt und jede Handlung aus allen erdenklichen Perspektiven betrachtet. Das hat sich teilweise sehr gezogen, vor allem bei POVs, die mich nicht so sehr interessiert haben. Zum Ende hin kamen immer öfter Szenen, die sich von der Serie unterschieden (oder ich mich einfach nicht daran erinnere) und mich deshalb sehr überrascht haben. Den nächsten Teil werde ich mir auf jeden Fall holen, da mich sehr interessiert, wie sich die Handlung in den Büchern weiter entwickelt.
3.5* Wie schon bei den letzten beiden Teilen hat es wieder eine gefühlte Ewigkeit gedauert dieses Buch zu lesen. Während ich diesen Teil zwar insgesamt wieder spannender fand als den letzten bleibt mein Problem einfach, dass ich nicht wirklich alle Sichtweisen gleich spannend finde. So passierte es leider immer wieder, dass ich das Buch zur Seite legte und nicht wirklich Lust darauf hatte weiter zu lesen wenn es gerade um Figuren ging, die mich nicht so interessierten. Dennoch hatte ich das Gefühl, dass in diesem Teil mehr passiert ist und es gab einige interessante Entwicklungen bei denen ich sehr gespannt bin wie sich das weiter entwickeln wird. Inzwischen gibt es auch einige ziemlich grosse Unterschiede zu der Serie weshalb es auch nicht so ein Problem darstellt dass diese bereits weiter ist. Ich bin gespannt darauf zu sehen wie George R.R. Martin all die verschiedenen Handlungsstränge in den letzten beiden Bänden zusammenführen wird und hoffe einfach sehr, dass es nicht mehr allzu lang dauert bis The Winds of Winter endlich erscheint.
While the previous book was mostly character focused, an emotional journey through some character's mind, this one was way more political, pushing the story forward. I loved it regardless. GRRM can do no wrong.
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one. Lowering the rating to 3 stars. This is by far my least favourite books of the series. The focus is on Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys. Occasionally, there’s Asha’s POV. However, the book was way too long yet barely anything happened. This book just dragged. Tyrion’s chapters can easily be summarised: sleeping, drinking, and asking where whores go. Bran’s chapters were descriptions of the night sky, the weather and his surrounding area. What I enjoyed were Reek’s chapters, I think it’s really interesting to see how Ramsay broke Theon Greyjoy. I hate it that the show excluded Quentyn Martell, the Sand Snakes (who are on their way to King’s Landing!) and Aegon Targaryen. Note to self: Asha and Theon reunite. Cersei arrived at the Red Keep after her walk of atonement. Daenerys flew away with Drogon and Khal Jhaqo found her. Jon got stabbed. Ser Barristan was made Daenerys’ Hand in her absence. Quentyn Martell died after he wanted to free Viserion and Rhaegal. Kevan Lannister had a council meeting in King’s Landing, supped with Cersei and got killed by Varys after his supper. Aegon is in King’s Landing. I can’t wait to see how the story continues. Probably have to wait ten more years for it though.
Ein Beispiel dafür, dass manchmal doch Filme/Serien besser sein können als die Buchvorlagen. Natürlich gibt es bestimmt Leser, die mir hier widersprechen. Aber seis drum. Ich habe mich bei diesem Buch - im Gegensatz zur Serie - oft sehr gelangweilt. Martin verliert sich in zu vielen unwichtigen Details und Nebencharakteren. Außerdem ist der Aufbau dieses Buchs und auch der anderen Teile sehr, sehr anstrengend. Man verliert schnell den Überblick, weil viele Charaktere in manchen Teilen nur extrem selten auftauchen und wenn dann wieder ein Kapitel über sie an der Reihe ist, hat man komplett vergessen wo sie vorher waren und was zuvor mit ihnen passiert ist. Das war in diesem Band besonders extrem. Deshalb kann ich hier leider nicht mehr als 2 Sterne geben, bin aber trotzdem froh es gelesen zu haben und werde - so denn ein weitere Teil rauskommt - weiterlesen.
This book already has received thousands upon thousands of reviews, so if you don't want to read another review meant to defend this book, don't continue doing so. Fair warning. I enjoyed this book far more than many other fans of this series seemingly did. The reason has perhaps been my preparation for it - I already knew AFFC and ADWD were not as popular with readers as the first three volumes, so I decided to use a variable reading order, including chapters from both books in their respective timelines. You can find plenty of those on the web. My major complaint includes the awful translation as I read the book in German and struggled to continue reading due to several mistakes and typos I would never forgive any author for. But this was the translator's work, not GRRM's, so I try not to judge him for what feels like a crime to the book. It is still difficult to bear when every second question mark is replaced by a simple full stop. Argh! When I ask someone how he is, I would of course write: "How are you." Of course. Not to mention all those missing words (sometimes even sentences!) and the translator's inability to remember if it's 'Lennister' or 'Lannister' in the german version). And don't even make me talk about the difference between "das" and "dass" in German! Translators of such popular book series should be capable of knowing this difference, yet they did not with this one. Back to the book itself. I understand why many readers were frustrated with it, especially with the ongoing Meereen plots and the thousands of new characters Martin seems unable to find a purpose for. I tend to disagree with this opinion. It's not only a story about the Iron Throne and the dangers represented by the Others or the dragons, it is also a story about characters and an immense setting Martin concentrates hugely on during this part of the series. He used books four and five mainly to delve deeper into the known world, presenting Dorne, Volantis (and a lot of Essos as well), Braavos, White Harbor, the Dreadfort and the Iron Islands with their power struggles. We had the aftermaths of ASOS: Tyrion dealing with his guilt over causing Tywin and Shae's deaths; Cersei becoming mad due to her inability to distinguish between good and evil; Daenerys struggling with her attempt to rule Meereen (and, seriously, she would have been a child to believe in her ability to conquer the Seven Kingdoms, which is why her character gained my full respect for her decision to stay in Meereen); Jon trying to be as good a Lord Commander as he could possibly be. It was as much about the developments of their characters as it was about the preparations for huge battles like the upcoming Battle of Winterfell or the Battle of Meereen, which will most likely lead to larger events - such as Daenerys finally sailing for Westeros which I am sure will not happen before ADOS. It could feel kind of long, I will agree about that. Daenerys had way too many scenes with Daario, Quentyn's voyage had no need to be described so explicitly, Tyrion's depressive mood and playing cyvasse for hundreds of pages as well as those endless lists of food might have been hard to bear. But there are a lot of characters and places to be explored, and Martin would never have reached this if not by calming down the story. I was fine with most of his decisions. But as I said, this is a review about defense, so I try to negate those complains I still have about ADWD (for example Daenerys' character development which felt rather non-congruent with her behavior in earlier volumes, or choosing Areo as a POV character of Dorne which I still cannot understand). I gave this a four-star-rating, since it still belongs to one of the most divisive, most discussed and most loved book series, and since I have fallen in love with the book and Martin's characters. Now if only "The Winds of Winter" was released before GRRM will be one hundred years old!
It arrived!
1. A Game of Thrones: 5 ★ 2. A Clash of Kings: 4 ★ 3. A Storm of Swords: 5 ★ 4. A Feast for Crows: 4 ★ 5. A Dance with Dragons: 5 ★ 6. Winds of Winter:
A Song of Ice and Fire is still one of my favorite book series (and TV series, but that doesn't matter here) but 'A Dance with Dragons' is not my favorite book from the series. Yes, it still has all the details and tertiary characters that I love but I've missed some of the POV characters. Besides there are too many POVs that I don't care about and just too much slow world building. Reading it you get the feeling that nothing really goes on, it is all so slow. Some storylines don't seem to have a point at all, e.g. Young Griff or Quentin Martell. I enjoyed reading it, but I would prefer it if I had the sixth book and could finally get to know what really happens. (I already read some sample chapters from Winds of Winter and they seem to be so much better! Finally some action!) Nevertheless I will read it again and again until I can finally read Winds of Winter.
A Song Of Ice and Fire is incredibly detailed and I loved diving into it every time i reached for one of the series books A Dance with Dragons makes no exception